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The Wild Swans at Coole

The trees are in their autumn beauty,   
The woodland paths are dry,
Under the October twilight the water   
Mirrors a still sky;
Upon the brimming water among the stones   
Are nine-and-fifty swans.
The nineteenth autumn has come upon me   
Since I first made my count;
I saw, before I had well finished,
All suddenly mount
And scatter wheeling in great broken rings   
Upon their clamorous wings.
I have looked upon those brilliant creatures,   
And now my heart is sore.
All’s changed since I, hearing at twilight,   
The first time on this shore,
The bell-beat of their wings above my head,   
Trod with a lighter tread.
Unwearied still, lover by lover,
They paddle in the cold
Companionable streams or climb the air;   
Their hearts have not grown old;
Passion or conquest, wander where they will,   
Attend upon them still.
But now they drift on the still water,   
Mysterious, beautiful;   
Among what rushes will they build,
By what lake’s edge or pool
Delight men’s eyes when I awake some day   
To find they have flown away?
 - William Butler Yeats
From: The Collected Poems of W.B. Yeats (1989)

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kresh962:

daniellepiso:

kresh962:

daniellepiso:

kresh962:

daniellepiso:

daniellepiso:

You can’t just forbid someone to make videos. You can choose to watch them or not, and you can debate about whether the content of each video is appropriate. YouTube has a policy for that. You can like or dislike someone, and you can approve or condemn certain behaviour. You

I don’t even see how this relates to what I’m saying, which is that YouTube will block people when they post content that is not in line with their policies, as they have every right to. However, it is clear that the content of Alex Day’s videos so far isn’t in any way unsuitable according to YouTube policy. The reasons why most people feel like he shouldn’t be able to post any more videos are merely emotional, driven by the idea that they can simply ensure that they will never come across him again even though he has the same right to post content as any of us. I hope I don’t have to explain to you that this is not a valid argument and in my opinion it is definitely not a solution to any kind of problem, ever.

"Things like predatory behavior, stalking, threats, harassment, intimidation, invading privacy, revealing other people’s personal information, and inciting others to commit violent acts or to violate the Terms of Use are taken very seriously. Anyone caught doing these things may be permanently banned from YouTube."
^youtube’s policy could get him banned.
alex day has made several women feel threatened and his presence on youtube is a threat to their safety - alex day admits he knows that this video will upset and hurt them. alex day is continuing to harass a group of people who have made it clear that they want no part of him in their lives - in fact, he is a manipulative abuser. there is both implicit and explicit elements of predatory behavior, threats, harassment, intimidation, invading privacy, and revealing other people’s personal information in his video.
youtube is a community as we sure af have the right to forbid abusers from using the site to continue to hurt women. yt can totes forbid someone from making videos. drag alex day :D

Yes, YouTube’s policy could get people banned for behaviour like that. However, these are also serious allegations that have to be thoroughly investigated before action is taken. I do not believe that we have the information (or the position) to know what really happened in any of these cases, let alone are entitled to be the judge of it. Besides, what I’m saying is not whether or not I believe he should still be on YouTube (actually I do not understand how he still feels he has anything to gain by it), what I’m saying is that Alex will always have access to the internet and that there is always a chance that any of us will encounter him going about his life. I don’t think hate policies are the way forward. Alex Day and many like him do exist and we cannot erase them just like that. We have to find a way to deal with their presence and not let them have any power over us. Because trying to ban them from existence is acknowledging they do just that.

there’s literally no investigation that needs to happen. multiple people came forward. alex day admitted months ago that he did wrong in pressuring women to have sex with him. 

But there were clearly times where I would try to initiate something, because I thought the other person wanted it, and I trusted my own read of the situation (“they agreed to stay over/they said they wanted it earlier/etc”) rather than paying attention to what the other person was doing and saying in that moment. That’s where I massively fucked up.

(http://www.dailydot.com/fandom/tom-milsom-underage-sex-scandal/

he admits in his newest video multiple times that women felt pressured (because he pressured them), that women felt uncomfortable (because he abused his power),  and that there are master posts detailing instances of abuse (because he sexually abused women). so we have PLENTY of information some of which alex himself provided. 

similarly we have him threatening to dox victims in order to ruin their lives

tumblr posts that were written about me were all anonymous the third one was written – and I know who wrote them all – but um I wont say who who wrote this this one because if she wants to be anonymous then I’ll preserve her anonymity um but it does make me feel like I can I can feel like I can talk about it comfortably without ruining her personal life”

and youtube literally allows users to down vote & flag content so we totally have the authority to be a judge of his actions and videos. more so everyone has the right to call out abusers - if your going to defend alex’s right to post abusive shit you’ve gotta stan for my right to call him out. honestly the abuse he’s done to women is way more hateful than a tumblr post that’s just detailing his actions.

so like, maybe i just don’t get the point. no one has the right to upload videos to youtube. there are community guidelines this guy actively chooses to violate, kind of like how he choose to violate some women’s boundaries. so yes, we can totally erase his presence in this part of the internet - or the internet in general if we collaborate effectively. the internet is not some magical lawless public space where shitlords have to be accepted w open arms. 

i don’t understand why you write as tho abusive ppl are entitled to my - or anyone else’s - time or energy. i don’t have to deal with alex day. i unsubscribed from his ass a long time ago. youtube can kick him off. dftba  refused to sell his merch. websites can refuse to host him. ppl are refusing to be his friend, refusing his existence. even his physical presence doesn’t have to be tolerated - when people abuse the community guidelines (laws) of countries, they are labeled criminals and are no longer entitled to community protections and can be removed from that community (imprisonment, banishment, etc). i don’t have to come up with some sort of plan of action for dealing w alex as a part of my life - women don’t have to make space for an abuser’s existence. 

 

I don’t think we will ever be able to fully agree with each other. Which is fine, because I get where you’re coming from and I believe you have a point. But I don’t think you understand what I’m trying to say. No, I do not believe that offenders should be given the space to harm others even more. Yes, I understand that YouTube can ban him, DFTBA can drop him and everyone can just go on with their lives trying to convince themselves that people like that don’t exist. But I don’t think that solves the problem. I don’t think that at some point, someone will not pull the exact same shit and people will not be hurt and Tumblr will not be in such a massive uproar again. I believe that it is so terribly important that we face the fact that the world, however sad, is full of people who do others harm in so many ways with or without even being aware of it. I believe that we, at least, should be aware of that in order to protect ourselves from it. Of course I’m not suggesting that we should give someone who is proven to be a serious offender any space in anyone’s lives, but we do need to be warned of their existence. We need to inform people, and especially vulnerable people like these women, how they can recognise the signs of sexual and emotional abuse and in order to do that we have to make them aware that there are people out there who can do these things to them. We need to inform them about what they can do when they feel they are being abused. We need the focus to stop being on that one single person and start being about the larger issue we are dealing with here. Sexual harassment is a serious problem. It is not about individual people anymore, it is about a general issue with the norms and values of our societyIt can and will never be solved by pretending it isn’t there.

I will try to make this the last thing I say about it. 

yay! cool beans we’re on the same page

i just think that bringing to light abusers and then pushing abusers out of the community is an important part of making sure that we improve the norms of our society, be it vidcon or the uk. pushing abusers out is NOT the same as ignoring or covering up their abuse. like obv i’ve been putting this kid - and more generally sexual abuse - on blast on my blog.

refusing to give alex day my time, $, or energy doesn’t mean that i won’t give those resources to victims and to raising awareness. 

I’m really glad that we are able to discuss things like this, because I think it is so incredibly important that we do. To exchange opinions and try to come to a solution is really all that I think we should put our energy and time into, and I think we should focus on that much more overall. I just hope everyone’s okay. Personally, I am pretty fucking tired of this mess.

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kresh962:

daniellepiso:

kresh962:

daniellepiso:

daniellepiso:

You can’t just forbid someone to make videos. You can choose to watch them or not, and you can debate about whether the content of each video is appropriate. YouTube has a policy for that. You can like or dislike someone, and you can approve or condemn certain behaviour. You

I don’t even see how this relates to what I’m saying, which is that YouTube will block people when they post content that is not in line with their policies, as they have every right to. However, it is clear that the content of Alex Day’s videos so far isn’t in any way unsuitable according to YouTube policy. The reasons why most people feel like he shouldn’t be able to post any more videos are merely emotional, driven by the idea that they can simply ensure that they will never come across him again even though he has the same right to post content as any of us. I hope I don’t have to explain to you that this is not a valid argument and in my opinion it is definitely not a solution to any kind of problem, ever.

"Things like predatory behavior, stalking, threats, harassment, intimidation, invading privacy, revealing other people’s personal information, and inciting others to commit violent acts or to violate the Terms of Use are taken very seriously. Anyone caught doing these things may be permanently banned from YouTube."
^youtube’s policy could get him banned.
alex day has made several women feel threatened and his presence on youtube is a threat to their safety - alex day admits he knows that this video will upset and hurt them. alex day is continuing to harass a group of people who have made it clear that they want no part of him in their lives - in fact, he is a manipulative abuser. there is both implicit and explicit elements of predatory behavior, threats, harassment, intimidation, invading privacy, and revealing other people’s personal information in his video.
youtube is a community as we sure af have the right to forbid abusers from using the site to continue to hurt women. yt can totes forbid someone from making videos. drag alex day :D

Yes, YouTube’s policy could get people banned for behaviour like that. However, these are also serious allegations that have to be thoroughly investigated before action is taken. I do not believe that we have the information (or the position) to know what really happened in any of these cases, let alone are entitled to be the judge of it. Besides, what I’m saying is not whether or not I believe he should still be on YouTube (actually I do not understand how he still feels he has anything to gain by it), what I’m saying is that Alex will always have access to the internet and that there is always a chance that any of us will encounter him going about his life. I don’t think hate policies are the way forward. Alex Day and many like him do exist and we cannot erase them just like that. We have to find a way to deal with their presence and not let them have any power over us. Because trying to ban them from existence is acknowledging they do just that.

there’s literally no investigation that needs to happen. multiple people came forward. alex day admitted months ago that he did wrong in pressuring women to have sex with him. 

But there were clearly times where I would try to initiate something, because I thought the other person wanted it, and I trusted my own read of the situation (“they agreed to stay over/they said they wanted it earlier/etc”) rather than paying attention to what the other person was doing and saying in that moment. That’s where I massively fucked up.

(http://www.dailydot.com/fandom/tom-milsom-underage-sex-scandal/

he admits in his newest video multiple times that women felt pressured (because he pressured them), that women felt uncomfortable (because he abused his power),  and that there are master posts detailing instances of abuse (because he sexually abused women). so we have PLENTY of information some of which alex himself provided. 

similarly we have him threatening to dox victims in order to ruin their lives

tumblr posts that were written about me were all anonymous the third one was written – and I know who wrote them all – but um I wont say who who wrote this this one because if she wants to be anonymous then I’ll preserve her anonymity um but it does make me feel like I can I can feel like I can talk about it comfortably without ruining her personal life”

and youtube literally allows users to down vote & flag content so we totally have the authority to be a judge of his actions and videos. more so everyone has the right to call out abusers - if your going to defend alex’s right to post abusive shit you’ve gotta stan for my right to call him out. honestly the abuse he’s done to women is way more hateful than a tumblr post that’s just detailing his actions.

so like, maybe i just don’t get the point. no one has the right to upload videos to youtube. there are community guidelines this guy actively chooses to violate, kind of like how he choose to violate some women’s boundaries. so yes, we can totally erase his presence in this part of the internet - or the internet in general if we collaborate effectively. the internet is not some magical lawless public space where shitlords have to be accepted w open arms. 

i don’t understand why you write as tho abusive ppl are entitled to my - or anyone else’s - time or energy. i don’t have to deal with alex day. i unsubscribed from his ass a long time ago. youtube can kick him off. dftba  refused to sell his merch. websites can refuse to host him. ppl are refusing to be his friend, refusing his existence. even his physical presence doesn’t have to be tolerated - when people abuse the community guidelines (laws) of countries, they are labeled criminals and are no longer entitled to community protections and can be removed from that community (imprisonment, banishment, etc). i don’t have to come up with some sort of plan of action for dealing w alex as a part of my life - women don’t have to make space for an abuser’s existence. 

 

I don’t think we will ever be able to fully agree with each other. Which is fine, because I get where you’re coming from and I believe you have a point. But I don’t think you understand what I’m trying to say. No, I do not believe that offenders should be given the space to harm others even more. Yes, I understand that YouTube can ban him, DFTBA can drop him and everyone can just go on with their lives trying to convince themselves that people like that don’t exist. But I don’t think that solves the problem. I don’t think that at some point, someone will not pull the exact same shit and people will not be hurt and Tumblr will not be in such a massive uproar again. I believe that it is so terribly important that we face the fact that the world, however sad, is full of people who do others harm in so many ways with or without even being aware of it. I believe that we, at least, should be aware of that in order to protect ourselves from it. Of course I’m not suggesting that we should give someone who is proven to be a serious offender any space in anyone’s lives, but we do need to be warned of their existence. We need to inform people, and especially vulnerable people like these women, how they can recognise the signs of sexual and emotional abuse and in order to do that we have to make them aware that there are people out there who can do these things to them. We need to inform them about what they can do when they feel they are being abused. We need the focus to stop being on that one single person and start being about the larger issue we are dealing with here. Sexual harassment is a serious problem. It is not about individual people anymore, it is about a general issue with the norms and values of our societyIt can and will never be solved by pretending it isn’t there.

I will try to make this the last thing I say about it. 

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kresh962:

daniellepiso:

daniellepiso:

You can’t just forbid someone to make videos. You can choose to watch them or not, and you can debate about whether the content of each video is appropriate. YouTube has a policy for that. You can like or dislike someone, and you can approve or condemn certain behaviour. You

I don’t even see how this relates to what I’m saying, which is that YouTube will block people when they post content that is not in line with their policies, as they have every right to. However, it is clear that the content of Alex Day’s videos so far isn’t in any way unsuitable according to YouTube policy. The reasons why most people feel like he shouldn’t be able to post any more videos are merely emotional, driven by the idea that they can simply ensure that they will never come across him again even though he has the same right to post content as any of us. I hope I don’t have to explain to you that this is not a valid argument and in my opinion it is definitely not a solution to any kind of problem, ever.

"Things like predatory behavior, stalking, threats, harassment, intimidation, invading privacy, revealing other people’s personal information, and inciting others to commit violent acts or to violate the Terms of Use are taken very seriously. Anyone caught doing these things may be permanently banned from YouTube."
^youtube’s policy could get him banned.
alex day has made several women feel threatened and his presence on youtube is a threat to their safety - alex day admits he knows that this video will upset and hurt them. alex day is continuing to harass a group of people who have made it clear that they want no part of him in their lives - in fact, he is a manipulative abuser. there is both implicit and explicit elements of predatory behavior, threats, harassment, intimidation, invading privacy, and revealing other people’s personal information in his video.
youtube is a community as we sure af have the right to forbid abusers from using the site to continue to hurt women. yt can totes forbid someone from making videos. drag alex day :D

Yes, YouTube’s policy could get people banned for behaviour like that. However, these are also serious allegations that have to be thoroughly investigated before action is taken. I do not believe that we have the information (or the position) to know what really happened in any of these cases, let alone are entitled to be the judge of it. Besides, what I’m saying is not whether or not I believe he should still be on YouTube (actually I do not understand how he still feels he has anything to gain by it), what I’m saying is that Alex will always have access to the internet and that there is always a chance that any of us will encounter him going about his life. I don’t think hate policies are the way forward. Alex Day and many like him do exist and we cannot erase them just like that. We have to find a way to deal with their presence and not let them have any power over us. Because trying to ban them from existence is acknowledging they do just that.

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daniellepiso:

You can’t just forbid someone to make videos. You can choose to watch them or not, and you can debate about whether the content of each video is appropriate. YouTube has a policy for that. You can like or dislike someone, and you can approve or condemn certain behaviour. You

I don’t even see how this relates to what I’m saying, which is that YouTube will block people when they post content that is not in line with their policies, as they have every right to. However, it is clear that the content of Alex Day’s videos so far isn’t in any way unsuitable according to YouTube policy. The reasons why most people feel like he shouldn’t be able to post any more videos are merely emotional, driven by the idea that they can simply ensure that they will never come across him again even though he has the same right to post content as any of us. I hope I don’t have to explain to you that this is not a valid argument and in my opinion it is definitely not a solution to any kind of problem, ever.

mybuddyholly-look asked: I really hope it gets better. I don't understand how hating someone can fix things. Urging them to learn and grow and be a better person is what makes everything better. Condemning them doesn't.

This. Take notes Tumblr.

I guess it’s just easier to see someone as a horrible person who will never change than to accept the fact that they are a human being that is just as flawed as we are.

mybuddyholly-look asked: I completely agree with all your blog posts. <3

Thank you! You can probably tell I’m pretty fed up about this.. Let’s just hope it gets better eventually :/

You can’t just forbid someone to make videos. You can choose to watch them or not, and you can debate about whether the content of each video is appropriate. YouTube has a policy for that. You can like or dislike someone, and you can approve or condemn certain behaviour. You cannot strip someone of a right they have because of emotional reasons. At some point, you will have to accept that you may run into someone you don’t like when you go outside just as much as on the internet. I am not saying Alex Day is guilty or innocent. I don’t see the use of discussing that with the limited knowledge provided. What I just don’t understand is how some people seem to believe they can just erase people they don’t like from existence.

It’s sad to see people focus so much on telling others how horrible they are they basically become it themselves. I really hope everyone thinks twice about what they post because whatever someone’s said or done they’re still people that you have the power to seriously hurt